http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/07/05/10135/

I'm so glad we finally get to find out what caused the
destruction of WTC 7! NIST is concluding their 2.5 year
study soon, and the results are trickling in.

Guess what? They found that fire melted the steel
connections between the floors. Nice. Now I can rest easy.

:angry:

Interesting, I guess Dr Shyam Sunder has never heard what 1st yr comp sci profs teach their students: "garbage in, garbage out".

The perps seem to rely heavily on ignorance to be able to push such garbage. They try to dazzle us with big sounding words and plenty of figures (in Metric, too) to overload us with information that the average person has no hope of debunking. They abuse the trust the average citizen has in its Institutions, like NIST.


"Now new photos of the south side of the building, which crucially faced the North Tower, show that whole side damaged and engulfed in smoke."

Well, that does it now, doesn't it? I wonder how long it's going to take truthers to figure this one out - is the vertical damage the result of: CGI/Layering (FalseBroadcast) or is the damage real? Was it caused by DEW/Conventional/FallingDebris?

I'm wondering how long this mind-fuck was planned for... are we being fed specific 'info' at specific times just to keep us busy?

wel thats it see.. its like...how on earth did they plant all the explosives without anyone knowing?

i watched some videos and it takes months. i think wtc 1 and 2 would take up to 10 months to set up. so did it really happen? or did they use a new way to bring them down?

and not long after collapse some guy was allowed 2 walk over it and film it. would they let him film the rubble when the charges wires should be cleary seen?

i think not./

they used a new method 2 bring down all 3 i think.

I notice that Alex Jones is peddling a new "bit of information" lately. He is saying that almost all of these NIST people who are studying the towers and Bldg 7 have been associated with the creation of "spray on thermate" developed by NASA. And now these same folk are the ones doing the reports on how the buildings "fell".

So apparently Alex and company are subtly telling us how the planting of the charges in all three buildings took so little time and how it was able to not be discovered -- SPRAY ON THERMATE.

The BBC Doc on WTC7 this week said that all the NIST Computer Modelling was done without them actually seeing any of the steel from WTC7.

I think they're pushing the fire angle because if you blame the debris impact from the twin towers you've then got to explain why WTC7 didn't collapse towards the impact zone.

Uniform fire is an easier starting point to explain the straight down collapse. Interestingly the BBC also said that, because of fire alarm tests, the alarm system was unable to give any data about where the fires were located. That was handy.

lol Spray-on Thermate....

Add that one to the Judy Wood list of Twoof-flockers gone wild video mash-ups.

And I suppose that the DEW frequencies were the trigger to activate the thermate right???

Less 'Alex Jones' means more brain cells spared.

spray on thermite does sound plausable. just look at the stuff we can do 2day. if someone can invent a machine that takes pictures(camera) we can do anything.

but deffo not a full c/d on 9/11, there is no way it could be pulled off. to many wires would have been visable at the wtc 1 and 2. thousands would be left seen.

did we see any? nope.

but spray on thermite must have also needed something else. i dont know tho but a normal c/d doesnt sound do-able imo

Thermate is a CUTTER charge. It may have sliced all 287 columns in each of the towers and it would have had to do that simultaneously.

Obviously there was some kind of energy mainly involved on WTC 1 and 2 destructions that allowed POWDERIZATION / PULVERIZATION. And of course, there is even evidence that steel spires were turned to dust caught on video. THERMATE cannot do that.

The towers were blown to kingdom come. Some steel and tiny dust particles is all that was found at ground zero. The steel and dust were rapidly carted away forever - that was a criminal act.

Here is picture proof that 9-11 was a demolition job.

Just remember that Buidling 7 appeared to be brought down in a tradition type controlled demolition.

WTC 1 and 2 were destroyed in a completely non-traditional manner. They did not come "down" nor did they "collapse". They were blown to kingdiom come.

So do not refer to WTC buildings collectively as all being "controlled demolition".

That term has different definition depending on which WTC buidling you are referring to.

Those pictures were stunning. Still it is difficult to see how all the exterior and internal core columns could have been fitted with cutter charges as the pictures show for all colums for each of the 47 floors without any employee in the buidling ever being aware of this elaborate preparation. So even Bldg 7 may have been a form of demolition that appeared tradition but really was some kind of new demolition as was used on WTC 1 and 2.

Admittedly, there may have been some traditional kind of cutter charge used to make those nice angles shown on the photo, but still think something else had to be used too, and we do not know what that something else was. (Would you believe Wikipedia mainly describes "thermite" as being used for its welding reaction. It has usually been used to weld railroad tracks. Welding is the opposite of cutting nice sharp angles. Steven Jones likes to push the super thermite or "sol gel" form of thermite, and Alex Jones is pushing "spray on termate" these days, but there really is not solid scientific proof of any of this.

Even the head of CDI (admittedly a corrupt company) does a great job of debunking standard controlled demolition, that is, the kind of "controlled demolition with explosives" that Richard Gage and the Jones Boys advocate.

http://www.infowars.com/?p=3175

Go to about 28:05 Mark Loizeaux of CDI on that recent BBC nonsense documentary about Bldg. 7 that purported to show "both sides" of the debate fairly.

I'm sure that if all pictures were sifted for cutter charges, a lot more than three columns would be found. I picked these three after a quick look through some of the 9-11 debris pics.

Nonetheless, three picture evidences of cutter charge, plus videos of side plumes is plenty of evidence to conclude that demolition brought all three buildings down.

There is a point where it's not necessary to have more evidence to reach the correct conclusion. I would like to see experts go through all the pictures for evidence of cutter charges. I'm sure there is probably hundreds of them to be extraced from the photographic record.

It takes probably at least two months of intensive work to set the tradtional type cutter charges in a bldg the size of WTC 7. We already know about the tenants of this bldg include CIA, FBI, NYC OEM, SEC. Some people have tried to give a ballpark estimate of the volume and weight of the explosives that would have to be carted in and they meticulously set on all the columns.

So hard to see how not one of probably a few thousand employees who went in to that buidling every work day ever reported any suspicious looking workers tearing up ceilings and floors to put in the "explosives."

It is thousands of pounds of explosives. That Richard Gage guy said it could be done. He said you could even put them in when bldg was being constructed, but the guy from CDI said explosives have a shelf life of at most 3 years and if you try to blow up a bldg with old explosives, you take a big chance, a chance you cannot afford to take if the bldg is right next to other large occupied bldgs., that some or all of the charges won't go off. Bldg 7 was built in early 80's.

I think it was a "controlled demolition" alright. I just define "controlled demolition" much more generically than most. It is a demolition that is controled (or brought about) by the action of man. I do not infer any particular type of traditional "explosives" or any traditional type of methods. By the way, according to Dr. Jones, thermite is not an explosive, but Richard Gage, who constantly invokes Dr. Jones' ideas, is always careful to say Building 7 was "a controlled demolition with explosives."

it's possible that cutter charges or demolition block could have been placed over a long period of time and not necessarily done in a week or two as some postulate.
If the explosives had been introduced to the building over a period of time it would only require the power down to connect the circuit up safely to whatever power source or to give access to those areas where cctv coverage would see overt placement in a critically sensitive place in relation to the building coming down totally taking place.
we dont know that if the cctv for the period of a few months before the explosions contains any anomalous stuff because it hasnt and wont be scrutinised looking for suspicious activity.
ANYTHING could have been done or took place in the proceeding weeks/months, the ability to take explosives into the towers from the sub-level car parks, and to place them in the spaces between floors can not be ruled out.
Its likely that for this reason jebb bush was the controlling aspect of the security company. A long hard look at the employees doing that particular job is something time should go into if it hasnt already. as for not calling it "demolition" wether it was nuclear demolition, DEW demolition, thermate demolition or a combination of the above it is Demolition and on some level it was controlled.

The time needed to wire the charges depends only on how many men you put on the job. Given the unlimited resources available to Sliverstein and mob, it's quite possible to do the job in one weekend, the weekend they closed the WTC obviously. Plus they could have done the job on floors they already controlled, and other areas without notice, like elevator shafts, they only had to finalise the operation in that weekend. One man could easily be lowered inside the columns without no one noticing, and have all the time in the world to lay down the charges and wire them.

Between 1993 and 2001 they did rewire the entire complex. That means they had plenty of time and access to do whatever they wanted.

One possibility was to use the aluminum wire that was abandoned when they installed the copper wiring.