I accidentally posted this in "debate." This is not a debate. This is an introduction

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2164396237994540011


There are real people who knew Edna Cintron. Real people who bought flowers at their shop.
Real people who lived and loved and fought with the Cintrons as necessary.
I don't mean to suggest that Edna was a saint.
The kind of person who can stand against rising heat and wave for 20 documented minutes is not necessarily the sort of person who is easy to love.
We will have to see.


Kinda a reverse compliment to call my vid "work of professionals" .
I've avoided doing vids cos the folks I'd be compared with work at such a high level.

My previous vids are at
http://youtube.com/webfairy2

Orbie the Heliperp is dedicated to Philly, my favorite troll, who is welcome to come back and hound me too.

The helicopters of 911 Should Be and Must Be better documented to properly make our case, and I nominate philly to do it.
The strange object Philly found in footage taken from a helicopter during a turn to dust event is a real object, no matter how peculiar it seems.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1948708884329485621


People seem to have forgotten that I was a pioneer with video, before Youtube came along, I presented all the major events at little flash animations.
http://thewebfairy.com/911
This was "footageist"" as far as Nico is concerned, and I'd call 19 Rector Street my first real art vid.
Anyone who looks at all three have to see the same sort of style and theme and musical taste through all my work.

If they can declare Edna Cintron 'fictional' and get away with it, they can do that to anybody. Declaring my 7 year body of work and research fictional or worse is the next obvious step.

http://webfairy.org
http://thewebfairy.com/chaos
http://911foreknowledge.com
http://missilegate.com
http://thewebfairy.com/whatzit
http://911closeup.com

This is my work. This is my history. IT is what every problem and every challenge in my life has built up to.

Edna Cintron was a real live person with hopes and dreams and a relentless striving and literally a never say die attitude. There are plenty of people who know her and remember her who can back this up.
The shop that was the center point of Edna Cintron's existance has records, yellow pages ads, whatever other ephemera we expect from a business that closed 7 plus years ago.

The Frameup is used to determining for itself what is real and what is fictional.
I am suggesting we can tell objectively what is real and what is cartooned into video.
Simon Shack has already shown that augmentations travel in their own cloud of pixel noise. That is one way of showing fakeness. Some Birds is a case in point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU6J_PLHkcU

Orbie the heliperp moves smoothly between almost unseen and dominating the frame. This smooth movement is what I am calling continuity, the way one frame and the next and the next blend smoothly.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1948708884329485621

Meet Edna Cintron
http://youtube.com/thewebfariy
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2164396237994540011

The three shots were taken at different times from different angles, from different distances. They have had their gamma settings screwed to restrict contrast and blur detail. The Christianson photo, tthe first chronologically, is in the NIST report as an enlargement. Screwing with gamma adjustments does not make real people fake.

Business Records from businesses closed already 7 years are not on line.
The availability of online records does not determine existance.
People who rent don't have real estate records.
They do have yellow pages listings and local phone book listings. It may take months to get the yellow pages ad for Sweet Williams Floral from the Interlibrary loan.
When I find their address in East Elmhurst, Queens where they lived for 9 years, we can check with the neighborhood for people who remember the Cintrons.
The various memorial sites for Edna Cintron have occasional references to various friends and family who stay consistant and don't connect to anybody from Geospatial Intelligence.
Visiting Edna's neighborhood has to wait for better weather.

Farking with pictures does not make them unreal.
It took a while, 2004 to my memory, for the NIST reports to be released.
Nobody knew or imagined of Edna Cintron being anything more than a couple picturesque early articles memorializing her life.
Her name was not immediately connected with the person in the NIST remorts, or at that point supposed person in the nist pictures.
We discussed Edna on the old Plagepuppy List, before the Science and Justice list.

The incredible amount of advance preparation you are theorizing was done to fake in a fake is mind boggling..

The moving footage of Edna Cintron was undiscovered until 2005. Until that time there truly was no proof that she was real, and the three stills could have been peculiar looking debris.

The discovery of the footage that first was seen in Spain, and then Germany, but never in the USA changed that.

IT's 80 frames, not 82, but that's still more than enough absolutely consistant full motion no hippityhop smooth changes that it passes muster as real even at 700 percent enlargement there's no sign of paste marks or separate pixel cloud even.

WE've been studying layered animation because me see so much of it.
Edna isn't like that. It's like she's there, real "clear" but like behind a shower curtain that stays consistant throughout all the changes.
Only real life can do that.
IT's like a pulse.

It's time to make enlargements of fake stuff, so people.can see the differences.

People can't fake "anything".
Imagining impossible technology does not make it so.
The various technologies that were secret for 911 are used for commercial applications now.

The Scott Myers footage is completely impossible to find a high resolution "plane" hidden inside a low resolution video.
THAT is a fake. If there's another layer of clear resolution inside an image, or apparent image, that's a sign of Grayboxing, the sort of resolution of resolution Geospatial Intelligence uses to zoom in with it's pictures of pictures recursively Sim City world.

Edna has exactly the amount of resolution to fit her environment.
The clip is part of a longer clip that scans up and down the face of the building and momentarily (3 seconds pal footage) pauses on the Plane Shape Hole.
We need Shure to talk to these photographers. What was their vantage point ?
Did they really take the pictures themselves ?

There are really good questions, but Edna Cintron's nature as a natural object in that footage is not in question at all.
IT shows what real video looks like up close.
People coming along afterward with photoshop does not make the sun rise in the north.
If Edna looked "clear" in such a small detail, then it would be a fake.
But she blends seamlessly in all respects throughout 80 magnificent frames.
Somewhere out there is original footage we could bust into 160 magnificent frames, each one different and unique but all in concert with each other in flawless succession...
Only nature can do this.
IT's like hollering fake at a flower just cos plastic copies exist.

Edna is real.
She is a miraculous blessing, even if she had only stood there waving for just the time of the clip, it is still a monumental image for all time.

Not everything is mundane chickenshit. The existance of so many fake heroes does not mean that real heroes are fictional.

Edna Cintron is real. Screwing with pictures of her like some voodoo thing does not make her fake or unreal.

Being a larger than life character committing a larger-than-life act while proving graphically there was no "plane" in that hole the lady was waving from.

IT's a story that screams movie of the week, but it's strung together from actual events actually committed in the real world that exists beyond one's own bellyscreen.
A statement of whether or not you "believe" in her is no more sensible than whether one chooses to believe in Connecticut.
Screwing with pictures does not change real life.

Hey Webfairy...

... Why aren't you giving an opinion at this thread:
http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=2857

Still no reply Webfairy.

I'm beginning to understand what your real agenda is now.

You claim to have introduced us to no planes, yet for some reason... no jumpers is off limits.

I'm beginning to see what your real agenda is now.

I do not have 24 hours a day to hang on the board waiting for someone to post.

It has improved my confidance level a lot since Genghis called my Edna vid "professional", so I'm working on making another vid. The idea I'd be compared to folks working at such a high level intimidated me, so I've avoided vid making, and since my work must stack up since I'm called "professional" even, I wanna catch up and make more vids.

I've got a lot of material saved up .

I'm not particularly interested in the Jumpers, since I do expect some are faked, and the rest are taken by a photographer who caught so many jumpers it seems ghoulish...

This is what I wrote once you took my attention to the jumper thread.
http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?sho...&#entry14901657

The Jumper shot of Edna is authentic.
Talking to the photographer is on Shure's job list. Jeff Hill is under attack lately and I am worried for him. There were RCMP at his house. He apparently stopped trusting Truthsleuth about the time Truthsleuth started doing the paranoid agenda mongering routine on me.

Derailing Shure until the photographers are all briefed with a cover story is what I see thru my own paranoid agenda mongering routine.

I'm a bit worried for Jeff as well. I know they're probably ordered to scare Jeff into silence... probably nothing more (I at least hope that's the case).

I got a cryptic private message from him early this week. I replied back to him, but no response.

What's strange is everytime I reach out to Jeff, we never connect. I thought we're on the same team. Maybe I've spooked him in some way.

Onward.

As I said in the other thread, I appreciate you taking the time to respond. Let me apologize to you for jumping the gun a bit.

And I don't expect you to refresh your screen every minute to post here... that would be insane...

... With that said, I make heavy use of the "last click" option on this site and see where you (and others) are clicking. And when I see you viewing stuff and not replying, I get a bit suspicious.

I'm also suspicious of everyone (some more than others). The last 4 years have served me well not to trust anyone 100%.

Finally, I'm VERY skeptical about your thougths on the jumpers. I've literally zoomed in on dozens and dozens of different jumpers from dozens (yes dozens) of different sites. And in every single case, the photos were obviously "Photoshopped" -- copy and pasted. It's a cinch to spot as you see the famous transparency Photoshop checkerboard patterns as halos around the "bodies" that are "falling."

Here are just a few in case others didn't see the obvious fakery:


See how this image has been copy and pasted in -- the checkerboard outlining within the image is Photoshop's way of showing transparency... these pictures shouldn't show any transparency.


Same issue as above... notice the halo of transparency around entire body? The checkerboard pattern is the dead giveaway of Photoshopping.


Foul play in this picture is a bit harder to notice -- look at the dude's head -- it's chopped off. Also look at the connection between the neck and head.

So when you say, "Some may well be fake" -- that's a bit stunning to me. Should you be saying, "Most may well be fake." Sorry to fret about a the word "some" -- but that's a typical truth-supression technique used by the other team.

And then you justify the fakes as it being a money-making opportunity instead of an obvious psyop to scare the beJesus out of everyone on 9/11? That's the best you can come up with? Stunning.

I don't get it. We're on the same team about 9/11 fakery, yes? But you find that the 9/11 jumpers might have been faked and if there were, it's was all about profit?

Is anyone else scratching their head like I am right now?

"It has improved my confidance level a lot since Genghis called my Edna vid "professional"

Just out of curiousity, is it the old Genghis or the new one that you are referring to???

http://www.livevideo.com/genghis6199

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7...earch&plindex=1

The jumpers are, indeed, fake, at least the photos I've seen. Sometimes I wonder if there was anyone in the building, except, perhaps, a few calculated murders of convenience. The stories of the building survivors are often even more unrealistic sounding than the plane victims. This is used so often to inflame emotions and prevent questioning 911. It is disgraceful when an alleged "truth" person uses that technique.

I'm glad someone is finally analyzing still photos (Truthsleuth above) I have found many to be really fake looking, but didn't want to put my findings up because I knew people would cry "distortion" or "artifacts" lol, but most good progrrams do so keeping the proportions intact so I don't see what the problem is.

What would it show if Edna were proved fake?

*that NIST used faked photos

*that the photographer(s) whose name is on the Edna photos (can't remember it) would be a fraud

*the "hole" photos would definitely be put under new scrutiny.
(many of the "hole" photos have entire areas masked out and there is no doubt in my mind that they have been altered)

Maybe Edna is a bigger deal than we believed.

But wait... there's more mirandapriestly...

... If a large minority of people understand that the entire 9/11 "movie" was indeed covered up by our military and media, then everything since then would be properly tagged as a fraud too:

- The war on terror
- The Patriot Acts
- Treating us like criminals at the airports

Etc.

And out of all of the great work by the investigators here, this is by far the hardest to debunk. I know it because I've posted this elsewhere the paid shills run like cochroaches on this one.

Anyone with the ability to zoom in on any of the 9/11 jumper shots can quickly and easily see they're all faked -- every single one of 'em. All you need is a computer:

On a (newer) Mac, open System Preferences, choose Universal Access, and turn Zoom to On.

Then hover your mouse over any of the "jumpers" -- to zoom in, select these three keyboard characters at the same time:

Option + Apple + the equal sign (=)

To magnify on a PC:

Go to start>
allprograms>
accessories>
acessability>
magnifier

Why is Webfairy so "oh well" about this faked jumpers revelation? Why isn't she rushing to create new webpages about this amazing discovery?

Maybe the amazing Simon is quitely creating a new awesome video about this. I can't wait to promote it.

I am plenty busy.
Anybody can make pics showing jumpers.
I am saying that a picture made from a blowup of a jpeg of a blowup of a jpeg of a blowup of a jpeg is going to show artifacts, no matter what it looked like in the beginning.

Edna's picture shows less previous handling than the others.
I even pointed out the page where the earlier "jumper enlargements" came from in the first place.

IT is Edna, covering her head with her arms.;
It is her black shirt and white pants she was wearing that day. It was what happened to her. At least now I know.

Compression does not make real people unreal.

If people are too lazy to click the link, there's nothing I can do for them anyway.
> This is what I wrote once you took my attention to the jumper thread.
http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?sho...&#entry14901657

The history shows my last click, and that I am signed in.
That I may have made that click hours earlier does not show.
IT's minimized and just sitting there as I do other things, and it catches my attention when I switch tasks, sometimes making me lose track of what I was doing.

I knew you'd say that, Webfairy. Unf*cking believable!

So that's how you're going to chime in about these obviously faked 9/11 pics? That "... Anybody can make pics showing jumpers."

Why don't you say the same about faking planes, too?

Or why don't you say the same about craters in Pennsylvania ground?

You don't because you can't. It would blow your now obvious mission.

I'm DEEPLY disappointed with your reply to this. I suspect others are too... but they're afraid of posting that here.

I'm freakin' out about this revelation. For me, this is the king of smoking gun evidence. It doesn't get better than this, does it? Why aren't you shouting from the preverbial rooftop about this? This is crazy important, but I'm guessing you hope this just goes away.

Here's what is really p*ssing me off -- I've been promoting your stuff for years. I believed you're on the right team here. And then you blow off this evidence as "Anybody can make pics showing jumpers." Lame Webfairy. Now what do I do... go back to my posts and put an asterisk next to your links?

Even the website you linked to (in this post) admitted that the 9/11 jumper found with his guts splattered on the street was a hoax.

What am I missing?

Let me guess. It's a double cross, eh? Sorry, I'm not buying that. And I hope others aren't fooled by this either.

Webfairy... please repent. If you're being forced to sluff this off -- do the right thing and come clean.

Don't be like Devin Clark or Timothy Whidden. Do the right thing, Webfairy. Do the right thing.

This is an amazing level of assholeyness.

The pictures of jompers provided are too degraded to tell ANYTHING about.

The picture of Edna Cintron I can vouch for.
That's what she's wearing. That's her positive attitude, covering her head so she will land ok.

The rest I can't vouch for. There are videos that include a lot of jumpers.
They are not close enough to ID, but there is no indication they are fake.

This whole jumper thing was gone over in the early archives of 911Insidejobbers.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/911InsideJob...&pos=110&cnt=10

Oddly, back then it was mala adamant that the jumpers were real. It was mala's adamant nastyness about it that made Holmgren decide groups just weren't worth it, after he innocently presented his own musings and did not expect to be jumped on.

I say there were real jumpers, who jumped cos they were hit with pain rays.
Whether the photographic record of these jumpers is accurate or cheezed, I don't know. A jpeg of a jpeg of a jpeg is not a "fake", but the techniques are used to hide fakery.

If not paying enough attention to your pet project is reason I am "suspect", all I can say is goodie and woohoo and I'm glad you are pulling off your mask and dancing around.

Can't you just take a sabbatical from bs?

This was no more an accident than your stated about "accidently" removing Genghis' comment,also my comment on your last youtube video. I know some people really acchieve special pleasure in "fooling" people, but this has really gone over the top.

I removed your comments and blocked you even.
Your ghoulish insensitivity marks you in ways I perfer to wash from.

Genghis comment I was proud of and wanted to keep, but woops.

I don't care if he did mean it mean and suspicious.
"Professional" coming from him did a lot to relieve my sense of insecurity about vid making. Now I'm excited about several put-aside projects.
The rest of my videos are at
http://youtube.com/webfairy2
Orbie the Heliperp is a good lesson in what "real" looks like.
I had a disk crash after I got this far, but can retrieve most all the ingredients.

http://youtube.com/thewebfairy
Edna Cintron is real...
The effort to Fictionalize her should have people saying W.T.F. pretty loud.

Lame excuses and repetition I hope do not outweigh three published pictures, two segments of video, an obituary picture with thumbnail view of her office, and contemporary articles written about her.
Her existance is much better documented than that of her critics.,
http://thewebfairy.com/911/edna
Meet Edna Cintron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvYqRTPtrNc

Genghis's comment was "accidently" removed because it was a sarcastic challenge that implied the vid was done by professional, and it wasn't wf.

Now that it's been erased, she flips it around to Genghis praising her.

To follow around cleaning up wf's deliberate deceptions, would be a full time job, and a terrible waste of time. Because she just switches tacks and pulls out another lie to cover the one before. "Well, it's jpg." Or it's this, or it's that.

She is being fed and answers, links, material, much like Bush was in constant contact with his coach and wore an earpiece for debates, speaches.

Genghis was acting all paranoid I'm sure, and he's welcome to recomment.

My vids are my work, and whether he meant to be snarky doesn't change the fact he saw it as "professional" which is surely how I see his.

Genghis "911 A Fake Odyessy
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/2001-a-f...ssey/2631854121

has proven for all time the concept of "Desktop View" for all time.
These are not real videos, but a controlled Sim City environment with slightly delayed inclusions, often employing slow motion.

In 911 A Fake Odyessy we see how the same animated creation is used to produce "different" footage, by cropping and coloration.

Genghis does not want to believe this himself, any more than he wants to believe a Real person is standing in a surroundings of Hutchison Effect.
He hates Judy Wood, hates all proof of the use of directed energy,
http://fcs.shorturl.com
and now he hates me cos I'm gonna use his Anti-Judy vid as proof of Judy's point about Toasted Cars.

Edna Cintron is a real person who's colorful background was taken full advantage of to wring hearts in the immediate aftermath of 911.
This was years before anybody connected Edna Cintron to the video of a person waving, or even knew there was onel

She is well documented. I challenge Genghis to make an undetectable fake.
Edna shows absolutely no evidence of any tampering through 80 frames.
Even at 700 percent enlargement there are no pixel boundaries, miscolored pixels, demarkation lines. Every frame shows full continuity with every other.
The only gap is where the footage loops.

This is well beyond "fakery" capable by any digital means. Her surroundings, a fantasmia of deformed pillers showing Hutchison Effects, and square ended beams that look just fine except their rivets are gone.

It doesn't matter if this information makes Genghis hysterical.
IT's gotta come out.

http://youtube.com/webfairy2
my other videos including the extremely relevant snip of an upcoming project, Orbie the Heliperp.

I was an excited slip that erased his comment. REmove and reply are right next to each other, my screen resolution was tiny print, myeyes tired, and I clicked the wrong place. It doesn't matter he was trying to make a slur.
I take it as a compliment, and want to show off what I did earlier.
http://youtube.com/webfairy2

Orbie the Heliperp is at Google Video in higher resolution:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1948708884329485621

Meet Edna Cintron in higher resolution:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2164396237994540011

As a professional graphic designer I work with Photoshop on a daily basis. Don't start insinuating and spreading false judgements if you don't know what you're talking about. As a result, you are denying the actual dramatic events and are also degrading those poor victims, dead and alive. The jumper photos you are zooming in to and staring at in a cynical fashion are JPEG files with high data compression for reduced filesize. The more JPEG compression added to a photo, the more "checkerboard patterns as halos" visible around shapes and forms; this is a typical, extreme result of high to maximum JPEG compression (especially visible when zoomed in to). Furthermore, "the famous transparency Photoshop checkerboard patterns" are only part of the Photoshop workspace and have nothing to do with a published JPEG file or any other image filetype. Altogether there is no reason whatsever to believe or suggest that these photos of poor people jumping are fake.